Trinity is almost impossible to find outside of the Pacific Northwest, and the thought of her crossed with the delicious 707 Chem is making my mouth water …
epochalypse –
Trinity was one of the rarest plants until the recent CSI S1 release that thankfully made this legendary plant more widely available. But I absolutely agree. This sounds absolutely delicious š¤¤.
Rated 5 out of 5
Electrics (verified owner)–
i got some soapy skunkyness. powerful. also did a f2 pollination and hoping to find some more variety.
epochalypse –
Iāve been popping 1-3 packs of everything Iām growing lately, for the largest sample size I can fit in one or two 5×5 tents – and I still gotta flower them out when theyāre pretty short. Maybe 18ā tops. Plants that are great for SOG do really well, but if theyāre not at all SOG friendly, it gets really unruly. Still, Iām able to make excellent judgements on the keepers, & get the full picture of trichomes, terps, color, & vigor, & Iāve somehow been able to pre-judge plant structure too. I guess Iāve just got a good feel for the patterns that cannabis grows in after so many years cultivating and breeding. But I also focus on this Micro-Blooming as I call it to choose parents for F2s. For virtually everything I grow. I take cuts of every plant. Iām great at revegging but Iāve had a few excellent phenotypes fail to revert prior to senescence, & I feel like an extra hour or two of work is worth the peace of mind. I space the cuttings out in 3 cloners even though each one has 36 spots, since I usually trash 75%+ & by the time Iām finished growing & slow-drying I can usually cut the females down to half the number I started with, but by this point theyāre all rooted and starting to get pretty large, which is why I space them all out over multiple cloners. The worst possible thing is when the roots of particularly vigorous phenotypes get tangled together. Itās not even like trying to untangle wires. If the roots get tangled, the plants get stuck in the cloner and as gentle as I try to be, tearing the roots causes the plants an extreme amount of stress, as does carefully trimming them apart. And I heard trimming roots was just like trimming the vegetation. My ass. Usually theyāre so large by this point that theyāll survive (or at least most of the plant will – the roots correspond to certain parts of the visible plant, with the shallowest roots corresponding to the base of the plant and the deepest roots to the newest / freshest growth. Which tends to die back when youāve gotta seriously disentangle two or more rooted clones to even get them out of the aeroponic cloner. Worst case, the plant dies. Even if the clone has grown some massive green growth, if the roots arenāt really abundant and healthy – say theyāre long but thereās only about a dozen main roots, the plant is much more fragile than it may seem. Anyway, my new method keeps the roots away from each other at least until harvest and usually into the cure. Male plants are much easier to cull, although I take all the apparent keepers through their entire life cycles to make sure thereās no late flowering weirdness. Unfortunately growing the males in a SOG configuration causes the pollen from the plants to get all over each other, but itās all good since Iāll have rooted cuttings that are typically so sparse in the male cloners that a little shuffling, if necessary, prevents any tangling at all. The weird thing about males that Iāve discovered is that sometimes the best offspring donāt come from the frostiest, stinkiest fathers, but from fathers with the best structure, or vigor, etc. Males are tricky since those really š„ frost stinkers often donāt pass on the traits you chose them as keepers for. Sometimes the traits you most want to see from your male come from a male that seemed average – but even if they didnāt express the genes you most like in a particular cultivar, their offspring do, while a male you would expect to produce the best offspring donāt pass those same traits on – at least not to the F1 generation. So I tend to reverse my favorite females to produce feminized pollen & seeds, whose genetically inherited traits are far more predictable IMHO. Thereās still the unknowns of how the two plants will express themselves & the phenotype %s in the F1 generation. Selecting your best F2s, given the typical reality of the F1 x F1 = your F2s factors of the modern seed market can result in some extreme phenotypic variation in the F2s made from your polar opposite of true breeding F1s, each with several phenotypes. A really large sample size of F2s is recommended, since youāre likely to find almost as many variations as seeds you grow out. But excellent selection & continued Inbreeding eventually gives you far more true breeding plants. The same is true of multiple Bxs, or the complex breeding practices that isolate & increase one of the original parentsā genetics in each generation. But indeed, in addition to hunting the best phenotypes, I try to make F2s of as many cultivars as I can since youāll be able to take the breeding in a totally different direction, as well as help preserve the original genetics of the cultivar, without adding even more genetics to the gene pool. When Iāve got several keepers – say 3 males I think will best pass on the genetics I like, & 5 females that are all really nice, my F2s will typically be a combination of all 8 plants grown together, in the hopes I capture most of the cultivarās genetics in all those technically single cultivar F2s that may actually have extremely distinct genetics, with the seed stock from each female coming from 3 males each. Keeping them separate or mixing them all together is a personal choice at this point. If the cultivar was feminized to begin with I can only make feminized F2s. Or S1s if only a single female is really that much more superior. Breeding aināt easy at all. Even the professionals have their issues. Thereās a reason that when a breeder releases a large line of crosses with the same reversed or male parent, that there tend to be only a couple of the many members of the line that are used by many breeders working entirely separately. Even the best breeders release some crosses that donāt produce many keepers, if any. Lack of terps, lack of vigor, effects issues, little to no resistance to mold or mildew, & god forbid, common hermaphroditic traits in certain cultivars arenāt as uncommon as they should be, from newer & long established breeders alike. Making seeds from two killer plants isnāt the end of your job as a breeder. Ideally you & a well selected team of experienced growers from many potential forums, an excellent group of like minded folks on a particular breederās / Seedbankās Discord forum, or from among your own IG followers is a crucial step that a lot of breeders skip – Iām looking at you Cookie Fam – the Candy Rain drop was a disaster, even if some people received excellent plants in their packs. I had a pack of 19 seeds that didnāt even germinate. Yikes. Thatās some serious negligence on the part of the seed maker. But yeah. So often the genetics released as one offs are grown / bred out of existence within a few years, so making F2s isnāt only good for your own personal breeding projects, but helps to preserve what are very often extremely limited edition genetics / releases, the true value of which are often not widely recognized for awhile.
epochalypse –
Trinity is almost impossible to find outside of the Pacific Northwest, and the thought of her crossed with the delicious 707 Chem is making my mouth water …
epochalypse –
Trinity was one of the rarest plants until the recent CSI S1 release that thankfully made this legendary plant more widely available. But I absolutely agree. This sounds absolutely delicious š¤¤.
Electrics (verified owner) –
i got some soapy skunkyness. powerful. also did a f2 pollination and hoping to find some more variety.
epochalypse –
Iāve been popping 1-3 packs of everything Iām growing lately, for the largest sample size I can fit in one or two 5×5 tents – and I still gotta flower them out when theyāre pretty short. Maybe 18ā tops. Plants that are great for SOG do really well, but if theyāre not at all SOG friendly, it gets really unruly. Still, Iām able to make excellent judgements on the keepers, & get the full picture of trichomes, terps, color, & vigor, & Iāve somehow been able to pre-judge plant structure too. I guess Iāve just got a good feel for the patterns that cannabis grows in after so many years cultivating and breeding. But I also focus on this Micro-Blooming as I call it to choose parents for F2s. For virtually everything I grow. I take cuts of every plant. Iām great at revegging but Iāve had a few excellent phenotypes fail to revert prior to senescence, & I feel like an extra hour or two of work is worth the peace of mind. I space the cuttings out in 3 cloners even though each one has 36 spots, since I usually trash 75%+ & by the time Iām finished growing & slow-drying I can usually cut the females down to half the number I started with, but by this point theyāre all rooted and starting to get pretty large, which is why I space them all out over multiple cloners. The worst possible thing is when the roots of particularly vigorous phenotypes get tangled together. Itās not even like trying to untangle wires. If the roots get tangled, the plants get stuck in the cloner and as gentle as I try to be, tearing the roots causes the plants an extreme amount of stress, as does carefully trimming them apart. And I heard trimming roots was just like trimming the vegetation. My ass. Usually theyāre so large by this point that theyāll survive (or at least most of the plant will – the roots correspond to certain parts of the visible plant, with the shallowest roots corresponding to the base of the plant and the deepest roots to the newest / freshest growth. Which tends to die back when youāve gotta seriously disentangle two or more rooted clones to even get them out of the aeroponic cloner. Worst case, the plant dies. Even if the clone has grown some massive green growth, if the roots arenāt really abundant and healthy – say theyāre long but thereās only about a dozen main roots, the plant is much more fragile than it may seem. Anyway, my new method keeps the roots away from each other at least until harvest and usually into the cure. Male plants are much easier to cull, although I take all the apparent keepers through their entire life cycles to make sure thereās no late flowering weirdness. Unfortunately growing the males in a SOG configuration causes the pollen from the plants to get all over each other, but itās all good since Iāll have rooted cuttings that are typically so sparse in the male cloners that a little shuffling, if necessary, prevents any tangling at all. The weird thing about males that Iāve discovered is that sometimes the best offspring donāt come from the frostiest, stinkiest fathers, but from fathers with the best structure, or vigor, etc. Males are tricky since those really š„ frost stinkers often donāt pass on the traits you chose them as keepers for. Sometimes the traits you most want to see from your male come from a male that seemed average – but even if they didnāt express the genes you most like in a particular cultivar, their offspring do, while a male you would expect to produce the best offspring donāt pass those same traits on – at least not to the F1 generation. So I tend to reverse my favorite females to produce feminized pollen & seeds, whose genetically inherited traits are far more predictable IMHO. Thereās still the unknowns of how the two plants will express themselves & the phenotype %s in the F1 generation. Selecting your best F2s, given the typical reality of the F1 x F1 = your F2s factors of the modern seed market can result in some extreme phenotypic variation in the F2s made from your polar opposite of true breeding F1s, each with several phenotypes. A really large sample size of F2s is recommended, since youāre likely to find almost as many variations as seeds you grow out. But excellent selection & continued Inbreeding eventually gives you far more true breeding plants. The same is true of multiple Bxs, or the complex breeding practices that isolate & increase one of the original parentsā genetics in each generation. But indeed, in addition to hunting the best phenotypes, I try to make F2s of as many cultivars as I can since youāll be able to take the breeding in a totally different direction, as well as help preserve the original genetics of the cultivar, without adding even more genetics to the gene pool. When Iāve got several keepers – say 3 males I think will best pass on the genetics I like, & 5 females that are all really nice, my F2s will typically be a combination of all 8 plants grown together, in the hopes I capture most of the cultivarās genetics in all those technically single cultivar F2s that may actually have extremely distinct genetics, with the seed stock from each female coming from 3 males each. Keeping them separate or mixing them all together is a personal choice at this point. If the cultivar was feminized to begin with I can only make feminized F2s. Or S1s if only a single female is really that much more superior. Breeding aināt easy at all. Even the professionals have their issues. Thereās a reason that when a breeder releases a large line of crosses with the same reversed or male parent, that there tend to be only a couple of the many members of the line that are used by many breeders working entirely separately. Even the best breeders release some crosses that donāt produce many keepers, if any. Lack of terps, lack of vigor, effects issues, little to no resistance to mold or mildew, & god forbid, common hermaphroditic traits in certain cultivars arenāt as uncommon as they should be, from newer & long established breeders alike. Making seeds from two killer plants isnāt the end of your job as a breeder. Ideally you & a well selected team of experienced growers from many potential forums, an excellent group of like minded folks on a particular breederās / Seedbankās Discord forum, or from among your own IG followers is a crucial step that a lot of breeders skip – Iām looking at you Cookie Fam – the Candy Rain drop was a disaster, even if some people received excellent plants in their packs. I had a pack of 19 seeds that didnāt even germinate. Yikes. Thatās some serious negligence on the part of the seed maker. But yeah. So often the genetics released as one offs are grown / bred out of existence within a few years, so making F2s isnāt only good for your own personal breeding projects, but helps to preserve what are very often extremely limited edition genetics / releases, the true value of which are often not widely recognized for awhile.